tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post832070608567705536..comments2024-01-25T15:11:57.292-08:00Comments on a desert fete: jamiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15103047512463828864noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-11398247518442595162010-10-28T11:32:19.983-07:002010-10-28T11:32:19.983-07:00Check out Louisville - great music -check. afforda...Check out Louisville - great music -check. affordable housing - check.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-19698283356745596072010-10-25T13:48:04.155-07:002010-10-25T13:48:04.155-07:00I don't play this game because it makes me cry...I don't play this game because it makes me cry. <br /><br />We were briefly deluded enough to think that we might be able to afford something, but after we terrified our real estate agent by convincing him to show us several crack dens that we could just barely afford, we realized that we were outpriced. <br /><br />I'm okay with renting, although I sometimes have house lust. I think that renting is particularly painful for architects. D desperately wants to own something and go crazy on it. <br /><br />I do like to play the game where I look at NYC apartment rents and feel blessed by comparison.Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10211797571405802312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-37682737937421561582010-10-23T13:38:13.257-07:002010-10-23T13:38:13.257-07:00Why do those first houses all have scary chain-lin...Why do those first houses all have scary chain-link fences? <br /><br />I live in the Netherlands, where house prices tend to highness. Anything un-terraced (no contact noise, heaven) is very dear, unless it needs tons of work. Like ours does. <br /><br />I was amazed to see this home in PA for sale for such a low price: <br />http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/reb/2011995177.html<br />especially as it's like immediately moveable-inable and gorgeous..<br />I asked my husband if he was willing to apply for jobs in Philadelphia, but no luck.:-)Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02140869638530831945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-70344300642055572522010-10-23T08:32:02.892-07:002010-10-23T08:32:02.892-07:00Heh - my husband, D, is from Nashville (we live i...Heh - my husband, D, is from Nashville (we live in Portland, Oregon, my hometown - although I was BORN in Denton, Texas which makes this comment thread sort of hilarious for me). We were just watching a House Hunters episode and we were blown away by how affordable the real estate was there. D got really nostalgic and I think might be playing this game in his head a lot, now. (I don't comment much so sorry if this seems like it is coming from a totally random stranger).ALPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05098729708314853961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-4872368663855888112010-10-22T13:09:16.773-07:002010-10-22T13:09:16.773-07:00We spent a week in Portland OR this summer and hav...We spent a week in Portland OR this summer and have been playing the move-out-of-LA game ever since. With many empty lots in some great neighborhoods, the fantasy is not to just buy a bungalow, but design / build our own. One thing to check is property taxes.....Oregon's are sky high. No state sales tax helps a little, but.Ed Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16797860234358084444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-25087747824852355272010-10-22T10:00:12.045-07:002010-10-22T10:00:12.045-07:00various projects: I think I one of my top treasure...various projects: I think I one of my top treasured items of my life outside NYC was the fact that deoderant no longer cost $6 from the Rite Aid. In Harlem. Now we're talking $2.50 at a local big box store. Yeah, I shouldn't be shopping there, but whatevs.<br /><br />A garden, backyard, and a car for outdoor travel are all pretty incredible.Lizhttp://www.lifeafterarchitecture.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-28283142767263530522010-10-22T09:50:30.730-07:002010-10-22T09:50:30.730-07:00is everyone playing this game in their heads??? we...is everyone playing this game in their heads??? we're moving out of nyc next month for all these reasons... sure, you don't make as much money, but the dollar certainly goes farther. i can't wait for a HOUSE!!!, a garden, a car, something to call my own... and on top of that, i get to take part in an upstart creative community. :) i really feel like self-employeds and artists are really considering these sorts of things much more willingly lately.Various Projectshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361217313032638701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-27912227215379699942010-10-21T17:24:33.432-07:002010-10-21T17:24:33.432-07:00income: we're on half the income, I suppose as...income: we're on half the income, I suppose as we're both architects (me: now grad student), and he's making a play at starting his own firm. (i'm happy to market away...)<br /><br />rachel is right - however, we still find (in comparison to NYC) that food and entertainment is much cheaper, as is the fact we own a car, have access to the outdoors, etc. groceries are waaaay cheaper, you can get a full breakfast for two for under the price of one breakfast in nyc, yadda yadda yadda.<br /><br />so let's play a hypothetical game: we were living on, let's "pretend" 120k/year in nyc. we didn't go out much, we saved a bundle (so wrong, I know, but we had a wedding, a move, and grad school ahead of us). we realized that we could hack it, without any savings in Austin on half of that. 80k would make us comfortable, with savings, with 401k, and travel. however, consider if you two already own car(s) (we dont, so we had to buy) which adds a chunk to the monthly costs.<br /><br />however, i'm not sure that 60 or 80 is enough to save to buy a house. I think we priced it out as being able to afford the 1500-1800 mortgage payment on a 200k house - and that price meant that my lovely husband needed to take home about 60k on his own.<br /><br />SO MUCH EASIER IF TWO ARE MAKING AN INCOME. or if you're not two (self-employed) architects.<br /><br />however, it is much much much much more feasible to live here, in the long term, on very little, than it was in nyc. much. <br /><br />Kristy - we have friends in Houston and they have the cutest little cottages near/in university heights and I almost stopped the car when a friend pointed out what/which houses would go for high 200s. think 4 bedroom, early 1900s gorgeous. <br /><br />there are deals/awesome opportunities to be had. good luck!<br /><br />(oh jamie - architecture salaries are lower here, but I'm not sure what they are in SD. it also depends on what firm you work for, obviously.)lizhttp://www.lifeafterarchitecture.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-32726119138338450892010-10-21T17:06:54.569-07:002010-10-21T17:06:54.569-07:00sorry esb, but statistically speaking, destination...sorry esb, but statistically speaking, destination/vacation spot real estate is higher and median income is lower<br /><br />keep looking though, jamie! there are secret spots all over, it's just a matter of whether your career can follow you there!H.H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16448982070532862844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-39435378620401610492010-10-21T17:01:02.950-07:002010-10-21T17:01:02.950-07:00house prices are ridiculous, eh?
I shouldn't ...house prices are ridiculous, eh?<br /><br />I shouldn't complain because $250,000 where I live can get you a super rad old mansion, but cool and well paying jobs are hard to come by here unless you work at the university or hospital.Hello Lindellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02823184671329497956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-45539764455614376912010-10-21T16:35:28.562-07:002010-10-21T16:35:28.562-07:00Yeah..WOW! That second home in East Nashville is A...Yeah..WOW! That second home in East Nashville is AMAZING! We are from Chicago and now live in Denton, Texas (Super quaint, cute and still badass little town outside of Dallas) and houses here are less than half as expensive as in Chi-town. A friend of ours just bought a 4-bedroom, beautiful 2-story house for $115K and our jaws dropped...that will buy you maybe a decent apartment or very small house in a somewhat sketchy suburb of Chicago.. <br /><br />Good luck with your dreams, hopefully you'll find something that's too tempting to pass up :)Lizziehttp://www.10000dollarwedding.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-43463665469088097632010-10-21T16:15:21.278-07:002010-10-21T16:15:21.278-07:00shelly! costa rica is THE BEST place to play the g...shelly! costa rica is THE BEST place to play the game with. And you guys could totally work from there, RIGHT???? DO IT. PS I am READY for our walk!jamiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15103047512463828864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-59837661883459651152010-10-21T16:12:17.064-07:002010-10-21T16:12:17.064-07:00This game is both thrilling and depressing.... Rg ...This game is both thrilling and depressing.... Rg and I play it quite often with Costa Rica....the cost of a farm located a bicycle ride from the beach .... ample sun, water and fresh air: Ouch and OooohShellyPhttp://www.vegetarian-foodie.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-32217799185843858602010-10-21T15:33:21.517-07:002010-10-21T15:33:21.517-07:00*exactly**exactly*jamiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15103047512463828864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-2109625949378822002010-10-21T15:25:09.107-07:002010-10-21T15:25:09.107-07:00I hate to say it ladies... but you can't just ...I hate to say it ladies... but you can't just look at housing prices and salaries - there's a lot more that goes into making a place financially livable. In fact, almost all reports on the issue have suggested that it's food/entertainment not housing that is most of where our money goes these days. (hello, SF folks) Also... Yes, salaries might go down in cities where the housing goes down but I would still argue that they're not completely tied together in terms of percentage. Like - looking at middle income wage jobs for joe shmo - teachers, engineers, etc etc ... those people can't buy good homes in places like NY and San Fran. But they can afford nice places in cities like Portland, Austin, Philly, etc etc. I don't think the folks in the later column are better at saving or being frugal per say - they just have to spend a lot less percent of their income to housing because the market isn't as inflated even after you take the 'lower' salary into account. If ESB were correct - there would be the same demographic of people buying property with the same desirability in every city - and that's just not so. (sorry ESB)Rachelhttp://joyquestdaily.posterous.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-82935211776340987962010-10-21T14:42:50.366-07:002010-10-21T14:42:50.366-07:00Liz makes a good point about the traffic. Austin h...Liz makes a good point about the traffic. Austin has terrible traffic considering how (relatively) small it is.<br /><br />And Liz, I'm so glad you love Austin! I grew up there (currently living in Fort Worth, which is a surprisingly cool town), so I'm biased about it; but I always love hearing people from far away say they are glad they moved.Kristyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17468276901563947172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-23597159841727154022010-10-21T14:42:07.514-07:002010-10-21T14:42:07.514-07:00but Liz, how much did your income reduce due to th...but Liz, how much did your income reduce due to the move (or his, since you are in school)??!!? (someone, coughcough me, is obv still reeling to prove esb wrong)jamiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15103047512463828864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-77784914804098054352010-10-21T14:38:10.845-07:002010-10-21T14:38:10.845-07:00Exactly what Kristy said - except I'd highly r...Exactly what Kristy said - except I'd highly recommend South Austin. Traffic is just less hectic than Hyde Park/Allandale, etc.Lizhttp://www.lifeafterarchitecture.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-6333080244832389502010-10-21T14:36:58.935-07:002010-10-21T14:36:58.935-07:00Jamie - we moved from NYC to Austin are relishing ...Jamie - we moved from NYC to Austin are relishing the fact that we essentially HALVED our rent, and got 100 more sf, a backyard, 2 decks (although we're in a duplex, but a super quiet neighbour). We actually looked for something under 200k when were moving here and the options were: nada or or in a tear down/total gut reno state. of course we have a strong preference to be close to downtown and currently LOVE living in Bouldin Creek (right next to South Congress, Zilker, Travis Heights). East Austin is cheap, but it really depends where you're located. Our current hood is awesome. You might be able to get something for 250 but it's probably better to be in the 250-300 range. Also, south austin, just south of Ben White or 270 has a lot of semi-retro 70s houses that could probably be pretty cool, but its bit more removed...<br /><br />Regardless, life here is calmer, nicer, cheaper, and sunnier than NYC.<br /><br />Also Meg - that fact about SF made the decision about me: grad school, him: working very easy when it was between Boston-SF-Austin. Easy choice, at least, if we didn't want to be starving students for the next five years.Lizhttp://www.lifeafterarchitecture.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-38646792809903352012010-10-21T14:31:36.503-07:002010-10-21T14:31:36.503-07:00Central Austin is pretty great (Allandale, Bryker ...Central Austin is pretty great (Allandale, Bryker Woods, Brentwood, Hyde Park). A lot of the houses are older and some of the areas are a bit expensive, but it's a cool part of town. South-ish Austin is also very cool (Bouldin/Travis Heights (expensive but awesome)/Barton Heights), and East Austin is also getting popular. It's cheaper, for sure, but there are still some shady/dangerous areas. French Place would be a good East Austin neighbourhood.<br /><br />And if you decide you want to see a cool neighbourhood that's probably totally out of your price range, just for the hell of it, Tarrytown is always nice. My dad has built a few houses there, and it's a lovely area. Lots of shady trees.Kristyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17468276901563947172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-83013010147481830142010-10-21T14:28:27.398-07:002010-10-21T14:28:27.398-07:00i play this game too. it is both exciting and depr...i play this game too. it is both exciting and depressing. why couldn't i just be a trust fund baby?!bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09189074613830094952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-13648402879228751732010-10-21T14:01:16.665-07:002010-10-21T14:01:16.665-07:00Tell me about it. Vancouver is ridiculously expens...Tell me about it. Vancouver is ridiculously expensive to live anywhere decent (most houses would be around $1m!)<br /><br />Come on, lottery!Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11503876658967079366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-67371335645634112732010-10-21T14:00:00.871-07:002010-10-21T14:00:00.871-07:00@kristy bummer. but oh, i should do austin next! w...@kristy bummer. but oh, i should do austin next! what neighborhood should i look in?jamiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15103047512463828864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-73355821632488751812010-10-21T13:57:08.749-07:002010-10-21T13:57:08.749-07:00Playing that game with cheaper places is probably ...Playing that game with cheaper places is probably a good idea. I always seem to pick more expensive places. I'll have to start playing for real with Houston pretty soon, but only because I'm being forced to move there. (No offense to Houston people, but having to move there when you're an Austin girl is painful.)Kristyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17468276901563947172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4954776013503146187.post-22698068853018351992010-10-21T13:47:02.334-07:002010-10-21T13:47:02.334-07:00My problem is that I could never be so land-locked...My problem is that I could never be so land-locked. It's so much cheaper to live further away from the ocean...but I know I would slowly lose my mind...Ringo, have a banana!https://www.blogger.com/profile/06486488683677625984noreply@blogger.com